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We did not preach this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. Therefore we created all these things. Who, whose duty it is? Kṛṣṇa said, māṁ hi pārtha vyapāśritya ye 'pi syuḥ pāpa-yonayaḥ</i>: "Even one is born in pāpa-yoni</i>, he can come to Me." That, what is not the duty of those who are elevated as brahmin</i> and kṣatriya</i>, to keep the standard. Even one is born in pāpa-yoni</i>, he should be educated to become Kṛṣṇa conscious.
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But that we did not do. We simply hated. Now one, at the . . . during Muhammadan period, if the Muhammadan will take some water from the . . . (indistinct) . . . put in this way, sprinkle over, "Oh, he has become Muhammadan." This has been done. These are stated in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta</i>. Now, whatever is done is done. Now if you want to unite the whole world again under one banner, then this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is the only . . .
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Dr. Singh:</b> Should we want to unite the world, or should be want to unite ourselves with Kṛṣṇa?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Eh?
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Should we not rather want to unite ourselves with Kṛṣṇa rather than to unite the world?
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Prabhupāda:</b> Well, unless you are united with Kṛṣṇa, how you can teach the world to become united?
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Dr. Singh:</b> But should one teach the world to become united . . . (indistinct) . . . with Kṛṣṇa . . . (indistinct)
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Prabhupāda:</b> To become happy. To be happy. To become really happy. Yaṁ labdhvā cāparaṁ lābhaṁ manyate nādhikaṁ tataḥ</i> (BG 6.22). Everyone feels satisfied, "Oh, I have got Kṛṣṇa . . . (indistinct) . . ."
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Dr. Singh:</b> So the first thing is to get Kṛṣṇa.
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Prabhupāda:</b> Yes.
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Dr. Singh:</b> The world can then be looked after later.
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Prabhupāda:</b> No. Side by side. Just like, what world you can look after? Tell me, what is the particular way you want to look after?
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Dr. Singh:</b> Well, I mean that with Kṛṣṇa first . . . (indistinct) . . . so what is the first priority?
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Prabhupāda:</b> Hmm?
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> First priority is to try . . .
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(break) . . . function.
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Prabhupāda:</b> What, what do you mean by this first priority? That I want to know from you.
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Dr. Singh:</b> No, you were talking, Swāmījī, about the unification of the world.
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Prabhupāda:</b> Yes. The world is going on. We simply say that you take to Kṛṣṇa consciousness and you will be happy—happy in this life, happy in the next life. So you are going on in this way. "In this way" means either out of the four classes. You may name in a different way. I say brahmin</i> class, you say intelligent class. But, do you agree that in the world there is a intelligent class of men?
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Dr. Singh:</b> Yes, but they can also work.
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Prabhupāda:</b> Everyone is working.
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Dr. Singh:</b> They can do . . . they can be very good worker.
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Prabhupāda:</b> When your brain . . . brain is the intelligent part of this body. So unless the brain works, nobody can work.
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Dr. Singh:</b> Everybody has a brain, all classes.
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Prabhupāda:</b> Therefore, the intelligent class means the brain of the society. They must work. Otherwise, how others will work? Working is compulsory for everyone.
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Dr. Singh:</b> They can fight also.
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Prabhupāda:</b> But just like the brain says that, "Here is a enemy," so hand immediately raised. Brain gives direction that, "Here is an enemy coming," and he strikes with his hand. This is kṣatriya</i>. And the belly supplies food in that, vaiśya</i>. And the legs, śūdra</i>, carries. So there must be systematic division of the work. Everyone should work. The brain will work, the hand will work, the belly will work, the leg will work, but the direction should be from the brain.
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Therefore, first of all duty is there must be a intelligent class of men directing. Then the other direction will follow. If the duty of the intelligent class of men is taken by the foolish rascals, then how this work will go on? That is first reformation, that we should pick up the intelligent class of men of the world and they will direct. And next the administrator class. And next the productive class.
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So intelligent class means one who is Kṛṣṇa conscious, he is intelligent, actual. Just like in Bhagavad-gītā</i> it is said, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate</i> (BG 7.19). Is it not? So jñānavān</i> means the first-class intelligent class. So after many, many births, when one becomes actually wise, what is the symptom? Māṁ prapadyate</i>, he immediately surrenders to Kṛṣṇa. Vasudevaḥ sarvam iti sa mahātmā su-durlabhaḥ</i> (BG 7.19).
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That is the highest perfection of intelligence, to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. Then he will give direction to the administration. The basic principle is that without being Kṛṣṇa conscious, you cannot work properly. Ya eṣāṁ ātma-bhuvam īśvaram na bhajanty abhijānanti sthānād bhraṣṭāḥ patanty adhaḥ</i> (SB 11.5.3) sthānād bhraṣṭāḥ patanty adhaḥ</i>. Because we neglected Kṛṣṇa, therefore brahmin</i>, kṣatriyas</i>, they have fallen down. Brahmin</i>, kṣatriya</i>, vaiśya</i>, everyone. Sthānād bhraṣṭāḥ patanty adhaḥ</i>.
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Dr. Singh:</b> When you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, is it not a state of ecstasy?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Why ecstasy? That is a misconception. Even this a material ecstacy . . . that ecstacy, spiritual ecstasy is very, very above all these things. First Kṛṣṇa consciousness is the example of Arjuna. Arjuna decided not to fight. But after understanding Bhagavad-gītā</i>, when he became Kṛṣṇa conscious, he fought. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness, to act under the direction of Kṛṣṇa.
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Dr. Singh:</b> An interesting thing struck me the other day, Swāmījī, about the Bhagavad-gītā</i>, that whether Arjuna would have fought or not, the war would nevertheless have taken place.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Hmm?
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> I don't know whether Arjuna fought or not, the war would nevertheless have taken place, because both the armies were there, the conches had been sounded. So Arjuna's decision was not whether there should be war or whether there should not be war. Arjuna's decision was only whether he should fight or he should not fight.
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Prabhupāda:</b> Yes, that . . .
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Dr. Singh:</b> But the more difficult decision is whether there should be war, whether there should not be war. Because Arjuna only came into it . . . (indistinct) . . . you consider it, only at the time when everything had already been decided, the armies had been brought.
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Prabhupāda:</b> That everything was done by Kṛṣṇa.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> When He went as a duta</i> (messenger). That to my mind is even the more important aspect of this whole story, because it . . .
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Prabhupāda:</b> Therefore, when everything was done by Him and Arjuna declined to fight, therefore Kṛṣṇa called him foolish; it is foolishness. Therefore He taught him Bhagavad-gītā</i>. And when he came to his Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he took up the opportunity. He said plainly that, "Arjuna, you fight or don't fight, these people are not going back home. That is already settled up." Nimitta-mātraṁ bhava savyasācin</i> (BG 11.33). So this plan was made by Kṛṣṇa, and there was no other alternative.
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Dr. Singh:</b> Arjuna was very lucky to have Kṛṣṇa there to tell him what the plan was.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Yes.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Arjuna.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> So everyone can become happy like Arjuna if he becomes Kṛṣṇa conscious, that's all. I was studying your book.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> My book? Where did you see my book, Swāmījī?
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Prabhupāda:</b> . . . (indistinct Hindi)
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> This one? Oh! Where on earth did you get this? This is just one little lecture.
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> Your secretary gave it to us.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Really? In fact, we must get Swāmījī to sign your books. I have got all your books.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> So some of the points some of the points . . . what was the points?
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> The . . . that every statement of Hinduism in the context of the nuclear age assumes tremendous importance.
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Prabhupāda:</b> Yes. So that we are doing.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Yes.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> We are giving shape to your philosophy. Just like it was the conception that in India there are brahmins only. Amongst the Hindus, there are brahmins.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> All brāhmaṇas</i> . . . (indistinct) . . . (laughs)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> It was not? Now we are creating brahmins</i> from America, from Australia. Is it not re-creation of . . . (indistinct)
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Dr. Singh:</b> Restatement of Hinduism.
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> He has always been open to creative reinterpretation.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> This is creative reinterpretation. We are accepting brahmins</i>, kṣatriyas</i>—especially brahmin</i>—from every community.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Are we going to have any kīrtana</i> tonight? What is the program, or do we . . .
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> As you wish.
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Dr. Singh:</b> As Swāmījī wishes.
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Prabhupāda:</b> Yes, kīrtana</i>.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Shall I, before dinner, before food.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Yes. So it is very interesting, scientific. So I would like all intelligent men to come and join this movement.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> It is a great knowledge. It is a great thunderbolt. It is a great gift . . . (indistinct Sanskrit)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Yes. We can answer any philosophy.
</p>
Devotee:</b> We have a . . .
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Nīhāram iva bhāskaraḥ. Nīhāram iva bhāskaraḥ</i>, kecit</i> . . . there is a verse that there are many means and ways to rectify the world situation. But simply by accepting this bhakti cult, everything can be solved. The example is given, nīhāram iva bhāskaraḥ</i>. Just like there is fog—if there is sunlight, immediately dissipated. You cannot dissipate it in any other way. You may have some scientific process that this way and that way . . .
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Dr. Singh:</b> Anti-pollution.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> So this one stroke will clear everything. So my appeal to all intelligent class of men is, "Come here, talk about this Kṛṣṇa consciousness philosophy and accept it and execute it." That is my appeal.
</p>
(aside) All right, have some kīrtana</i>.
</p>
I think in 1925 I went to Kashmir.
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Dr. Singh:</b> Really. Before I was born, Swāmījī.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> What is your birthday?
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> '31, 1931. (laughs)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> And your father's?
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> My father must have been born in 1895. He passed away. My parents have passed away.
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Prabhupāda:</b> I was born in 1896.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> '96, So I was seeing here. He was born on about the same date. How do we organize this? Are you going to do it, or what's going to happen? Do you sit where you are, or do you group together? (to Mālatī) What do you want? A piece of paper?
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Devotee:</b> She wants to write the words of the mantra</i> on a piece of paper.
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Prabhupāda:</b> What is that? Hare Kṛṣṇa?
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(indistinct discussion by devotees about writing words) Write. Write. Give her. (break)
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Mālatī:</b> . . . photographs from India of the actual . . . (indistinct)
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Dr. Singh:</b> . . . Harrison. So our devotees, they . . . (indistinct) . . . that singer of the Beatles.
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Prabhupāda:</b> He gave me nineteen thousand dollars.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Did he?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> (indistinct) . . . "Words from Apple."
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> This boy contacted, Śyāmasundara . . . (indistinct) . . . find out.
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Dr. Singh:</b> (indistinct) . . . (reading) "Śrīman George Harrison, Śyāmasundara dāsa Adhikārī, Śrīman Brahmānanda dāsa Brahmacārī, Hayagrīva dāsa Adhikārī, "color:#ec710e">Nam bade bade sundar apne chune hai.</span> "color:#128807">(You have selected very beautiful big big names.)</span> (laughs), Śrīmate Devahūti devī, Śrīmate Jadurāṇī dāsī." You are Devahūti?
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Mālatī:</b> No, she's on her way.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> "Śrīman Muralī dāsa . . . Muralīdhara dāsa and Bharadrāja dāsa." Bharadrāja dāsa, "Pradyumna dāsa Adhikārī."
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Prabhupāda:</b> (indistinct) . . . all of them work for this movement.
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Dr. Singh:</b> It is your power working through all of them, I am sure.
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Śyāmasundara:</b> In the beginning of this chapter . . . (indistinct) . . . you talked about men who lead . . . (indistinct)
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Dr. Singh:</b> Yad yad ācarati śreṣṭhas tat tad evetaro janaḥ</i> (BG 3.21). That is . . . (indistinct)
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Prabhupāda:</b> That is scientific. Our śreṣṭha jan</i> (those who are leading us) has gone to hell. How the people will come to . . . (indistinct) . . . they don't care for God. Godless existence . . . (indistinct) . . . by the grace of Kṛṣṇa we are . . . humanity . . . trying to be . . . (indistinct)
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Dr. Singh:</b> (indistinct) . . . difficult to do but I, one's own way one tries. What a man is Śrī Caitanya.
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Prabhupāda:</b> I said that our government should give me facility for . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> I know him very well. He's a very good friend of mine, Swami Raghunatha though I am not . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> what I am not.
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Dr. Singh:</b> (laughs) a cadre, a cadre . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> What, what fault I have?
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Dr. Singh:</b> (laughs) Except that he keeps going round and round, and he lives in India.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Does he, does he move better than me or less?
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Much less, but he comes back to India all the time—he's based in India.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Because he has no followers. (laughter) Nobody will give him place.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Even I can give him . . . (indistinct) . . . I can stay anywhere. I have got so many houses.
</p>
Mālatī:</b> You may also come and stay in any of our houses.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> So these things are to be considered. What contribution he can give? And he is given all certificates, and I am not certified?
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> The government of India has not in any way helped this movement, has it?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Not a single farthing. Why this . . .
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> In fact, they try in many ways to stop it, retard our progress.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Rather they, they, they are always after me, "Oh, why you are here? Go away, go away."
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Dr. Singh:</b> Do they say that?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Yes. I do not know, but that is their minor point. Immediately that . . . (indistinct) . . . said . . . what is that? "No foreigner can stay there?"
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Śyāmasundara:</b> In Nadia.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Nadia. I do not know whether it is there. So we are being indirectly disturbed.
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Dr. Singh:</b> That must be because this, got trouble there, and the foreigners . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> But what must they . . . they should, government should know what I am doing. Whole world is appreciating, except my government. It's so unfortunate.
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Dr. Singh:</b> It is always the home is the last one always. You know what happens with prophets come. (laughs) They are always respected more abroad.
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Mālatī:</b> But the point is, we are . . . he is taking from this country the greatest thing and giving. It is not like he is exploiting in some materialistic effort. Rather, he is giving the greatest thing from this country.
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Prabhupāda:</b> Recently one paper has remarked that, "Such an important man is going unnoticed." They remarked like that.
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Dr. Singh:</b> Here?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> No. Where it is?
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Mālatī:</b> Boston.
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Prabhupāda:</b> Boston. Also in Buffalo.
</p>
Mālatī:</b> Buffalo, yes.
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Śyāmasundara:</b> He was speaking in reference to the Pope. The Pope didn't acknowledge your letter to him.
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Dr. Singh:</b> Did it or did?
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> Did not.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> His loss. When we have Kṛṣṇa, who needs the Pope? (laughs)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> I may not think that, but I wanted to see. He is a head of a very great religion, so I want to bring cooperation, I offered my cooperation and he sided me, so I have to struggle with so many difficulties, at this age different means and everything. Handicap. Still I am . . .
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Dr. Singh:</b> Are there many Indian-born disciples abroad, or are they mainly Western disciples?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> No, there are many Indians.
</p>
Mālatī:</b> In England there are many. They go now. They are from Muslim families and they are from . . .
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> The Indians take it lightly. They say: "Oh, Kṛṣṇa. But we have a life outside."
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> That is the . . . I think you're quite right, due to that is what they do.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> They have learned everything.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Really? Do they know anything about Kṛṣṇa or not?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> "color:#ec710e">Sab janta Lawrence.</span> "color:#128807">(The all-knowing Mr. Lawrence.)</span> In Bengal there is called sab janta Lawrence. There was Mr. Lawrence . . .
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Dr. Singh:</b> (laughs) "color:#ec710e">Sab janta Lawrence.</span> "color:#128807">(The all-knowing Mr. Lawrence.)</span>
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Prabhupāda:</b> "color:#ec710e">Wo sab janta hai.</span> "color:#128807">(He knows everything.)</span>
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> (laughs) "color:#ec710e">Pani tray le ao.</span> "color:#128807">(Please bring the tray of water.)</span>
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Prabhupāda:</b> So our Indian people are sab janta Lawrence. "color:#ec710e">Sab kuch janta hai.</span> "color:#128807">(They know everything.)</span>
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Dr. Singh:</b> (still laughing) That is true. Here everybody . . . (indistinct) . . . is brought up with Hare Kṛṣṇa. "color:#ec710e">Ek hi shiksha nayi baatein khatam ho jati hai.</span> "color:#128807">(The same old conceptions finish any scope for advanced understanding.)</span>
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Prabhupāda:</b> That is true. That must be one of the reasons, actually, why the boys . . . (indistinct) . . . Europe.
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> They take us very lightly.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Yes. Take this little story . . .
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Yes. They are mūḍhas</i>. Avajānanti māṁ mūḍhāḥ</i> (BG 9.11). Mūḍha</i>, they are rascals.
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Dr. Singh:</b> (indistinct Sanskrit) That is the position actually. What is this little story, these two little things standing here? Some time back you called, "The drowning of the son of Our teacher." Is this from the Bhāgavatam</i>?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Yes.
</p>
Indian woman:</b> See these two little things standing here.
</p>
Malatī:</b> It's Kṛṣṇa and Balarāma.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Kṛṣṇa's teacher's son was stolen, so He got him back.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Achha</i> . . . he got them back, Guru-dakṣiṇā</i>. The guru</i> asked Kṛṣṇa, "I have lost my son. You can . . ." "Oh, yes." Guru-dakṣiṇā</i>. That is how to completely satisfy the spiritual master.
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Malatī:</b> Sāndīpani Muni has . . .
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Sāndīpani.
</p>
Malatī:</b> He had sons?
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Yes, because his wife . . .
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> That is the duty of the student, to give guru-dakṣiṇā</i>. Whatever he wants, you must give.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Like Ekalavya gave his thumb.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Ah, yes.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Do you know that story of Ekalavya?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Yes.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Fantastic story.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> That, "Give your finger just to keep the . . . (indistinct) . . ."
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> To the kṣatriya</i>. That is very unfair. (laughs)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Not unfair. He thought that, "He is a śūdra</i>. He'll miss it."
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> So therefore he . . .
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Therefore, he neutralized.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Yes.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Dronachariya.
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Prabhupāda:</b> Exactly. Just like śūdra</i>. In Western countries, they are all śūdras</i>. They are getting money and misusing it for wine and women. They cannot use money for . . . (indistinct) . . . simply for sense gratification. That is the śūdra</i>. And brāhmaṇa</i>, kṣatriya</i>, especially kṣatriya</i>, as soon as they get money, they would make a big sacrifice to satisfy viṣṇu-yajña</i>.
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Dr. Singh:</b> Aśvamedhi</i>.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Yes. Therefore in the instruction of, may I know, what is called, Bhīṣmadeva, the śūdras</i> should be given money so that can live very comfortably, not more. Then they will be spoiled. And that is being done. Śūdras</i> get money, they do not know how to use it. Just like a child: you give hundred rupees, he will spoil it. He does know. "color:#ec710e">Bandorer golay muktor mala.</span> "color:#128807">(The monkey is decorated with a pearl necklace.)</span>
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Dr. Singh:</b> So they call . . .
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> The monkey is decorated with a pearl necklace. Even Hanumānjī.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> (laughs) He did it.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> (indistinct) . . . gave Sita Devi gave, gave her . . . "Oh, you are so nice. Come on, take it." And there is another proverb in Bengal, chasa, a cultivator, what does he know about the taste of the liquor? These are very instructive.
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Śyāmasundara:</b> The cultivator?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Cultivator . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> That is before the days of country liquor.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> If you give him a bottle of John Walker . . .
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> (laughs) Johnnie.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> (laughs) Johnnie Walker? "What is it?"
</p>
English woman:</b> I'm so surprised you know the name of that liquor.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Yes, I am used to everything. (laughter)
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> What is that phrase, "Johnnie Walker . . ."?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Eh?
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> The phrase you were . . . (indistinct) . . . (laughter)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Very nice. You are author, you are thoughtful, you are a devotee. Now apply all these things for Kṛṣṇa:
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- prāṇair arthair dhiyā vācā</i></dd>
- śreya-ācaraṇaṁ sadā</i></dd>
- etāvaj janma-sāphalyaṁ</i></dd>
- dehinām iha dehiṣu</i></dd>
- (SB 10.22.35)</dd></dl>
That is perfection. For Kṛṣṇa. Dedicate life for Kṛṣṇa. So, sthāne sthitāḥ śruti-gatāṁ</i> (SB 10.14.3): keep in your position, but serve for Kṛṣṇa. That Mr. Pante is also very nice boy . . . many talking . . . (indistinct)
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Dr. Singh:</b> Apa Pante, you mean our High Commissioner?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Yes.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Yes, and he is also very much. He believes us, he does sūrya-namaskāra</i> and things of that nature.
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Prabhupāda:</b> Anyway, he wants to help me, but he cannot.
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Dr. Singh:</b> Why can he not?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> I do not know.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> I'll write to him. I'll write to him.
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Prabhupāda:</b> So anyway, give us some place in London.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> We'll try to do something, Swāmījī. We'll try and do something definitely.
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> That letter did you se . . . which address did you send that to?
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> I don't really know, but I've sent it. You . . . when are you going? Who is going? None of you are going.
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> We're not going. I was thinking, though, if you have a carbon copy, we could send it to my Godbrothers who are going to meet with him.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Today is already the 26th . . . 25th . . . 26th. What is it today?
</p>
Gurudāsa:</b> Tomorrow's the 26th.
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> The meeting's on the 30th.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> It will never get there. It will take . . . (indistinct)
</p>
English woman:</b> Sometimes the letters only take three days. Sometimes they take a week.
</p>
Malatī:</b> Five days or a week.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Generally takes three days by aeroplane.
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Dr. Singh:</b> There must be a good temple in London . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> I am inviting everyone, all Europeans.
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> The temple we have now is packed, day and night.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> You have a temple?
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> Oh, a very big temple.
</p>
Mālatī:</b> But it's not . . . every day there's people from not only the Indian community, which you know is very large there, but everywhere . . . (indistinct) . . . and They're beautiful. People are always amazed. And all the jewelry and all the mukuts and all the dresses, we make them ourself, and people are amazed. They are so beautiful. They have very big smiling faces and They're very shiny.
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Prabhupāda:</b> Next time when you go to London . . .
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Yes, I'll definitely visit. I requested you to send me the list of your centers, because I travel constantly throughout the world. And wherever I go, I can always look up the thing, and if I find a center there, I can drop into the center.
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Śyāmasundara:</b> Every city.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> This is a new development. So far it was . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> And our men are . . . (indistinct) . . . actually people are accepting this great culture of India. The . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> How long you are in India now?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> At least three months.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Three months.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Yes . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Do you come every year, or is this the first time you have come . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> No. I came last year . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Gurudāsa:</b> Seventy.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Seventy.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> (indistinct) . . . so I went back again to Los Angeles in . . . (indistinct) . . . in June.
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> Moscow, Paris, Los Angeles.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> How did you find Moscow?
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Everywhere there is demand for Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Simply artificially they have been checked. I find my market everywhere. I have, I have sown the seed in Moscow. I have got one student in Moscow.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> (indistinct) . . . the day when you chant Kṛṣṇa consciousness in the Red Square.
</p>
Śyāmasundara:</b> Ratha-yātrā, saṅkīrtana</i>.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> You have been in Moscow?
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> Yes.
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> I was staying in that National Hotel.
</p>
Dr. Singh:</b> I see. Who sponsored your trip? Was . . . (indistinct)
</p>
Prabhupāda:</b> Kṛṣṇa. (laughter) I had some correspondence with one Professor Kotovsky, and he said that . . . (break) (end)
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